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with me)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-18434340558098120112011-02-26T04:24:12.000+01:002011-02-26T04:24:12.000+01:00Okay, I will argue with you, if it pleases you, Er...Okay, I will argue with you, if it pleases you, Eric.<br><br>One the whole a great start for a discussion. Except for Truth 3, where VT (vehicle trips) are probably a more important metric than VMT or VKT, and Truth 6, where you suggest that we know everything need to know, which might be correct in a 'technology' sense but is clearly not the case in a behavioural and decision-making Paul Minetthttp://www.raspberryexpress.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-39569517984734960392011-02-26T12:11:28.000+01:002011-02-26T12:11:28.000+01:00Thanks Paul. I like your comments and your challen...Thanks Paul. I like your comments and your challenges very much. It is in this way that we will be able to bring this far closer to the bone. A couple of remarks in turn:<br><br>1. Is VM/KT the key? I really do feel it is, because as we reduce these totals both locally and systemically, we in fact accomplish the rest -- but only if the sticks are accompanied in a powerful and timely way by the Eric Britton, editorhttp://www.worldstreets.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-64782299017448713952011-02-26T12:28:17.000+01:002011-02-26T12:28:17.000+01:00Eric: I believe you should have specified what kin...Eric:<br> <br>I believe you should have specified what kind of vehicles should be reduced in miles traveled. It would be good to have the VMT increased for some types of vehicles.<br> <br>Reducing VMT of cars and trucks "quickly" seems an impossibility without an oil crunch or economic meltdown.<br> <br>Dennis Manning - PRT advocateDennis Manning - PRT advocatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-60304325678335183922011-02-26T12:29:40.000+01:002011-02-26T12:29:40.000+01:00Good, for the most part.I have issues with; Truth ...Good, for the most part.<br><br>I have issues with; <br>Truth 3 (...reducing motor vehicle miles or kilometers (VMT, VKT) traveled) I think about a PRT system operation, where a person starts out going North in order to get to a destination that is, in fact, South. The vehicle must travel 1/2, 1, 1 1/2 mi in the wrong direction before heading back in the right Richard Gronningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-42400325692949748182011-02-27T21:01:13.000+01:002011-02-27T21:01:13.000+01:00Hi EricI agree with your point that if we signific...Hi Eric<br>I agree with your point that if we significantly reduce total VM/KT we will probably have reduced all the other metrics that people have been discussing. Unfortunately you confuse this point with something about carrots and sticks, which is too vague to win the argument, which is about the key to sustainable mobility. <br><br>Your Truth 3 says (so we are reminded this far down the Paul Minetthttp://www.raspberryexpress.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-21865124159374219212011-02-25T20:05:53.000+01:002011-02-25T20:05:53.000+01:00Great points, but I'm not sure this seven trut...Great points, but I'm not sure this seven truths apply to all countries, particularly when it comes to the following:<br><br>1. "Imported fossil fuels". many countries, and the industries they rely on now, will be, at least partially, the promoters of innovative methods to get the technology we need, being that based on fossil fuels (imported or not) or renewable energy. Of course Enrique Rebolledonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-19865385837056492092011-02-25T18:51:25.000+01:002011-02-25T18:51:25.000+01:00[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Christ...[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Christer Ljungberg and Futurewise, Eric Britton. Eric Britton said: The Seven Simple Truths of Sustainable Mobility (Come argue with me) http://wp.me/psKUY-1nL [...]Tweets that mention Editorial: The Seven Simple Truths of Sustainable Mobility (Come argue with me) | World Streets (A world changing before our eyes) -- Topsy.comhttp://topsy.com/worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/the-seven-simple-truths-of-sustainable-mobility-come-argue-with-me/?utm_source=pingback&utm_campaign=L2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-51033043263026079892011-02-25T12:59:01.000+01:002011-02-25T12:59:01.000+01:00Very good indeed! I fully agree to all the thruths...Very good indeed! I fully agree to all the thruths. At number seven I think you could add one thing:<br><br>c) We create a more human and livable cityChrister Ljungberghttp://www.ljungbergsblogg.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-53511675491548451112011-02-25T13:30:26.000+01:002011-02-25T13:30:26.000+01:00Hi Eric,This is great, but for Truth 7 I would ins...Hi Eric,<br><br>This is great, but for Truth 7 I would insert, before* the current points, something like:<br><br>a) Happy, social, integrated, respectful communities<br>b) Safe, quiet, good-smelling neighbourhoods<br><br>*A lot of people still do not believe that humans are causing global warming (tough beans) and related/more importantly the "green" thing is over-rated and over-used Todd Edelmanhttp://www.greenidea.eunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-13436719397396409592011-02-25T13:35:26.000+01:002011-02-25T13:35:26.000+01:00Dear Eric,Thanks - I agree, you will need sticks a...Dear Eric,<br><br>Thanks - I agree, you will need sticks as well.<br><br>In Asia this was acknowledged initially by Singapore who had as first tight controls on the number of vehicles and their use. This was then followed by Shanghai which also has fairly tight quota of 7000 new vehicles per month.<br>Lately, Beijing has joined the "sticks" waggon by imposing an albeit weak quota of Cornie Huizengahttp://slocatpartnership.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-4394332604085835992011-02-25T15:26:37.000+01:002011-02-25T15:26:37.000+01:00It's difficult "to argue" with you, ...It's difficult "to argue" with you, because you laid out the argument so clearly, succinctly, and cogently.<br><br>Oftentimes, when people raise the concepts of sustainable transportation, they talk about the advantage of "increasing choices" through investments in walking, biking, and transit infrastructure (and sometimes but not enough, programming).<br><br>Choice is a Richard Laymanhttp://urbanplacesandspaces.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-619312256297995352011-02-25T17:42:25.000+01:002011-02-25T17:42:25.000+01:00This just in from Per Schillander OF the Swedish T...This just in from Per Schillander OF the Swedish Transport Administration <br>Eric, <br>Yes, I agree, these are seven simple truths, worth repeating. But … maybe they are so simple they’re not useful in the ‘old mobility reality’? Let me pick an example (exception) for Truth number 3: <br> <br>Suppose you have a city, crowded with cars. How big proportion of the cars/VKT could remain in a futurePer Schillandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-70886565905370466642011-02-25T18:25:55.000+01:002011-02-25T18:25:55.000+01:00You should remeber that Per is employed by the roa...You should remeber that Per is employed by the road builder organisation in Sweden ;-).<br>But research tells us that if we want a sustainable transport system we have to decerease transport volumes and not increase them. <br><br>We have just finished a rather large research project for the Swedish Transport Administration on induced traffic. And one of the conclusions is that if we build new Christer Ljungberghttp://www.ljungbergsblogg.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-49993391892654487762011-03-01T11:17:20.000+01:002011-03-01T11:17:20.000+01:001. Our measures must include whether people can in...1. Our measures must include whether people can in fact make the journeys they<br>need and want to make. A big danger of systems based on carpooling and<br>ridesharing is that they do not provide reliable transport for people without<br>cars, and may in fact abstract revenue from public transport which does try to<br>do so.<br><br>2. I think that aspiring to car-like mobility for all is a bit Simon Norton, Cambridge UKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-6314492874273312102011-03-01T11:36:09.000+01:002011-03-01T11:36:09.000+01:00Simon,I don't wish to give the impression that...Simon,<br><br>I don't wish to give the impression that I think I have an answer to every good point that you and the others are bringing up, but please let me share a couple of quick thoughts with you on the points you make this morning:<br><br>1. When we speak of the importance of bringing in a much wider range of affordable and competitive non-own car options, it is not only the thin red Eric Britton, editorhttp://www.worldstreets.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-28015097155681834312011-02-28T19:40:28.000+01:002011-02-28T19:40:28.000+01:00Hi Eric, RoryWe have entered Raspberry Express int...Hi Eric, Rory<br>We have entered Raspberry Express into the Living Labs Global Showcase competition. See http://livinglabs-global.com/Default.aspx for the competition and http://livinglabs-global.com/showcase/showcase/527/express-carpooling-to-reduce-traffic-congestion.aspx to view our entry.<br><br>I tell you about this because it looks like an answer to Rory's question: where should we Paul Minetthttp://www.raspberryexpress.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10939281.post-73617073833849227262011-02-28T08:50:17.000+01:002011-02-28T08:50:17.000+01:00"So what is holding us back?" you ask.Pe..."So what is holding us back?" you ask.<br><br>Perhaps it is that while we have many examples of really fantastic small projects, and a few successful large city wide projects, is there a lack of a city wide transformation that was achieved results in a timescale that would ensure re-election through following sustainable transport policies?<br><br>We can point to the problems that car Rory McMullannoreply@blogger.com